19: How to Evict a Demon

[00:00] Stephanie: Season 3, episode 19. Today we are continuing our topic of defeating demons

Hello, Father.

[00:09] Marcus: Hello, Daughter.

[00:10] Stephanie: Happy St. Patrick’s Day.

[00:11] Marcus: Yes, happy St. Patrick’s Day. We’re wearing green.

[00:15] Stephanie: We have many greens, just kind of happening.

[00:17] Marcus: They clash, so they don’t connect. But they’re green, so we’re good.

[00:20] Stephanie: You know, if all else fails, I have my Claddagh on.

[00:23] Marcus: You do that? Doesn’t get much more Irish.

[00:25] Stephanie: I bought it in Ireland.

[00:26] Marcus: An Irish Claddagh ring from Ireland.

[00:29] Stephanie: Yeah.

[00:30] Marcus: I always forget. It means different things when you wear it differently. Do you remember how that works?

[00:35] Stephanie: I mean, the way I understand it is, put it on this hand is single dating, and then put it on the other hand and it’s engaged or married, is how I understand it. But, yeah, I love Ireland. I was very blessed to be there in college. Yeah, it’s good.

[00:57] Marcus: All right.

[00:58] Stephanie: I could be tempted to just go in and we’ll just start talking about Ireland now, but we’ll refrain. We’re just feeling festive. So thanks for being here.

[01:08] Marcus: And we do have coffee in our mugs, just to clarify.

[01:11] Stephanie: Gosh, it is good office Keurig coffee. So, yeah.

All right. We’ve been talking about breakthrough and spiritual warfare and going through the levels of some basic legal principles for an understanding of spiritual warfare. Last week we talked about permission and very common ways that people give permission to the devil to have a foothold in their life.

And so to today, we’re going to move forward into how to evict the devil from your life. We’re going to get very concrete, like here is your step by step prayer to go through to make sure you’re covering your legal ground.

But I did want to start with some more theology, if you will. So, firstly, you were bringing up a good point right before we started this, which is, are we defeating the demons or is Jesus defeating the demons? And so I do think we should probably address that head on.

[02:35] Marcus: Yes. One of the things I often say is, if it wasn’t for Jesus, none of this would work. The idea is that I can’t say magic words that make demons do anything. I can say any words I want to. I can say, “I cancel this, I renounce this, I command that,” and they’re just words unless Jesus stands behind those words and the power of the kingdom of God steps up and does something with them.

So I don’t have the ability to take on a demon to defeat them just because of who I am. And I don’t have any more authority as a minister than somebody who is a layman. In other words, our authority comes from the fact that we are seated with Christ in the heavenly realms.

What authority is, again, is the right to represent power. It is not the power itself. And so when I say “in the name of Jesus” in a spiritual warfare context, that is a statement of authority. But the power that is released has to be released by Jesus and by the Holy Spirit, the kingdom of God, or it’s just words.

I’ve been very acutely aware of that on numerous occasions that you’re sitting here talking to somebody, there’s a demonic voice coming out of this person. I can say the words, but I am counting completely on the fact that God is going to back that up, and that he is faithful and that the basis upon which we’re doing these things has been made clear. So I can trust that. And he has never failed to show up.

[04:29] Stephanie: Hallelujah! So let’s push into that. You alluded to us being seated with Christ, and you have a really helpful diagram that you’ve walked people through for a long time that’s our victor/victim model. Let’s  see how this goes. A lot of people are audio listeners.

[04:52] Marcus: Well, it’s not too tricky. You think about this as a three story house. All right, so you’ve got maybe the attic and the second floor and the first floor. And the idea is that that very top floor of the house would be the realm of the divine.

Only one being is truly divine, and that is God, and so the Trinity inhabits that floor of the house, shall we say. And only God is there. And that is where his throne is. And that’s where the sovereignty of God flows from.

Then there is a second level below that, which could be thought of the second floor of the house, underneath the attic. And that second floor of the house is the realm of angels and supernatural beings who are not God, the realm of supernatural beings that we tend to just call the angelic realm. That realm is beneath God in authority and power.

And then below them is the realm of nature, which would include the realm of humans. And so it says, for example, that we were created a little lower than the angels. Based on a statement that we’re a little lower than the angels, they would place us at that level.

And so partly as a result of this, I don’t want to make this a battle between me and a demon because they’re at a level higher than me. Why would I want to do that? What the Bible teaches then is that Jesus went through this interesting journey of emptying himself of the rights of being God.

He became a little lower than the angels, and he became a human, and not just a human, but a servant who died for all humans so he made himself the lowest, if you will, of all humans to die for those humans.

It says he was “raised from the dead and he was seated at the right hand of the Father,” so that Jesus himself now claims his authority from the fact that he is seated at the right hand of God in kind of that third tier, that highest tier. And we see this laid out in the book of Ephesians.

In Ephesians 1:19, especially, where it talks about that the power that raised Jesus from the dead is the same power that is available to us, and that he was seated above. And it talks about thrones and powers and dominions and principalities and all this.

And then just a couple of paragraphs later, it says that we also, in Christ, have been raised with him and seated with him in the heavenly realms, which means that we also are seated in a position of authority above the angelic realm.

Now, obviously the question becomes, what are all the implications of that? The implication of being seated in a position of authority above the angelic realm? Does that mean I can just order angels around willy nilly? And the answer is no.

It means that when the situation calls for it, I can exercise authority. And that is why we talk about permission and we talk about legal ground and we talk about jurisdiction, and we talk about things like this because that is what limits our use of authority. Otherwise, if we had all authority, then we could just clear all the demons out right now and be done with it. But that’s not quite how it works.

[08:24] Stephanie: I’m glad you mentioned that. We talked about permission and authority a few times. We have specific podcasts just on that topic too, so if you want to go more in depth again, that’s a good place.

Also, as you were talking, I just couldn’t help but grin and think about one of my very favorite chapters in the Bible, which is Hebrews one. And just the utter epicness of Jesus. So if you want to have a nice epic party, go reread Hebrews 1.

[08:59] Marcus: Yes, Christ superior to angels. Yes.

[09:02] Stephanie: That’s great. So in Christ we have the authority to represent him, but it’s a limited authority. And that’s where we get into the permissions and the jurisdictions and all of that. Can we talk a little bit about binding and loosing?

[09:23] Marcus: When it comes to binding and loosing, that’s the language used in the Bible on a regular basis. There’s a lot of confusion about this because it could be used in different contexts.

For example, this idea that it has been used, for instance, to say unless I, as a representative of the church, loose you from your sin, you are still in your sin. And that’s not what the Bible is teaching.

When it comes to spiritual warfare, the specific uses of binding and loosing have to do with binding a demon, binding a strongman, to limit their activity, or loosing somebody from demonic activity. And so that’s how we use the terms.

Now, practically speaking, where that comes up is when you are getting interference. Let’s say you’re trying to help somebody get free and evict a spirit, but that spirit keeps interfering, they keep doing things to try to slow down the process.

Maybe they’re causing the person to fall asleep, maybe they’re giving them headaches, maybe they’re giving them so many distracting thoughts they can’t focus on what you’re doing. What binding does is it is a declaration that says, “In the name of Jesus, I bind you from interfering,” and you are now limiting their activity.

The reason we start with binding instead of just getting rid of them is that the demon still has permission to be there. We are in the process of getting rid of that permission. But while we’re getting rid of their permission to be there, we can still bind them from interfering with everything they’re trying to throw up there to try to make this process stop.

Because they don’t want to leave, they don’t want to get kicked out. So they’re going to try every strategy they can to delay the process. That’s where binding comes in.

[11:19] Stephanie: Karl Payne has good ground rules.

[11:22] Marcus: That’s where Karl Payne comes over with the ground rule box that he uses, which is extremely extensive. I have never seen anything more extensive than that. But everybody in warfare ministry uses some level of this.

I will say that a lot of times, there have been people in spiritual warfare ministry with an engineering background, and you can kind of tell because they tend to come up with systems that they repeat those systems again and again and again.

I’m not wired that way. I almost never repeat anything exactly the same way twice. But the same principles are at work there. The idea is we want to stop the interference, and that’s binding.

The loosing are things that people do to get rid of permission. I loose through forgiving people, I loose through repentant confessing and canceling. We often teach Karl Payne’s three C’s right? Confess, cancel, command. The word cancel doesn’t occur in the Bible. Confess and command do, but the biblical word there would be loose.

So you would call it I confess my sin, I loose myself from that and now I’m commanding the enemy to leave. And that’s what we mean by canceling. So the loosing is loosing from the permission. That’s kind of how all those things fit together.

[12:43] Stephanie: So that segues straight into the idea of evicting. And I want us to go through that  C, C, C and then we add another C process. Also, with this idea of confession. Confession is agreeing with God that something is true.

And so it often is I’m confessing that I did wrong, I’m confessing the sin that gave permission. But it could also be, for instance, when we go into a hotel room, I confess that sin has probably happened in this room.

[13:20] Marcus: That’s the reputation.

[13:22] Stephanie: Yeah. And so take us from there. Like this idea of confession.

[13:30] Marcus: So again you’re right. Confession literally means to say something with another person. It is saying about something what God says about it. So confession usually is me admitting to doing something.

But sometimes I will confess even with an if, “God I confess it is highly possible that someone has given permission to a demon to be in this place.” Especially in hotel rooms. A lot of sin takes place in hotel rooms.

The classic story on this that my dad used to tell was of a man who was in a hotel room and he just said, “God, if sin has taken place here that has given permission to demons to be present, I confess it and I cancel it and I command those demons to leave.”

As soon as he did that, every light bulb in the hotel room burst. Which would get your attention.

[14:34] Stephanie: What?

[14:35] Marcus: And so out of curiosity, he went downstairs, asked to talk to the manager and said, “Hey, I’m curious. Who was in this room before me?”

And the hotel manager was like, “Well, funny you should ask. A fortune teller rented out that room for the last several days and had clients going in and out.” So, yeah. Was there occult sin that had taken place in that hotel room that had given permission for spirits to stick around until somebody kicked them out?

That’s often what happens. Things happen in places and demons now have access to those places because of the sin that’s happened there and they’re going to maintain access to those places until somebody kicks them out.

That’s what he was doing and so he got rid of the demons. He didn’t tell the manager what had happened, but he did say he was going to need some new light bulbs. And that was kind of how that wrapped up.

I literally was teaching this in one church, teaching on a Friday night.  The next day, on Saturday, somebody came in, said, “Hey, I cleansed my house. I had never done that before. I just said, ‘God, if something has given permission to demons to be in. this property and in my home, I cancel that permission in Jesus’ name, command them to leave.’”

And there was literally a dent, he said, on the inside of his door. He heard a bang as something left, and left a dent on the door as it was leaving. So there’s real stuff. This stuff can happen. Now, we cleanse every hotel room we go to, I’ve never had anything like that happen, but it’s not a bad practice just to make sure.

[16:15] Stephanie: Yeah. All right, so let’s walk through, if you want to go through the CCC process, somebody sitting across from you and you’re helping them go through it. Could you?

[16:29] Marcus: Yes. So the CCC process. Basically we start by binding demons in whatever way we feel like they need to be bound. And again, Karl’s Payne’s got this whole ground box rule system that you could use for that.

And then we’re walking them through prayers to confess whatever they have done in their life that might have given permission or anything from their family line that may have given permission.

We just walk them through the SOUL-L experience, and that is,  “God, would you bring to my mind any Sin that I need to confess, any Occult activity I need to confess? Are there lies I need to confess, people I need to forgive? All that.

So you’re asking God to bring to mind, if there’s any permission that needs to be confessed, you walk them through confessing it, and then you walk them through saying, “I now cancel any permission that that gave. I ask you, Jesus, to loose me from any claim of the enemy.”

And then you command and say, “Now, having done all this, I command any demons, who have been claiming permission, to leave, take all your works and effects with you. In other words, don’t just leave, but tear down everything that you’ve built up in my life as you go.”

And I tell them, “Go where the Lord Jesus Christ sends you,” because I’m not sure what the biblical foundation is for sending them to the pit, which is what Karl does. But either way, it seems to work.

So bottom line, when I’m dealing with unseen things and I can’t really see what’s going on there, my bottom line thing is, is this person now living with greater freedom than they had before?

[18:04] Stephanie: And then you have added a C.

[18:06] Marcus: Yes, it wasn’t actually me. It was some folks down in Kentucky that got this and they added the idea of Commit. They said, when we get done with the three Cs, we then have a person pray a prayer of commitment, which makes perfect sense.

“God, I want you to be lord of this area of my life that the demons have claimed before now. Now that they’re gone, I make you lord of this area of my life and I commit myself to you fully.

[18:33] Stephanie: Amen.

Well, next week we are going to be continuing talking about breakthrough as a whole. We’re going to zoom back out and put things together. And also we’re going to be having a Q and A episode soon.

So I’ve got a link in the description that you can go drop your comments, your questions in there and we will try to curate a nice little Q and A episode for you soon. So there’s that.

And then also, if you want to go deeper into this topic of spiritual warfare, Deeper Walk has many resources, free conferences and webinars, lots of podcasts in our archive, and also books.

What Every Believer Should Know about Spiritual Warfare, Mark Bubeck’s books, and Judy Dunagan’s book, lots of resources there and more. Just go to deeperwalk.com, type spiritual warfare into the search engine, and so much stuff is going to pop up. So if you need more, we have more.

All right, final thoughts on this episode, Father.

[19:45] Marcus: People tend to be fascinated with spiritual warfare because it’s not commonly taught and a lot of people only deal with it a handful of times in their lives and so there’s a lot of curiosity about it.

I would just say that it is important for us to have a solid understanding of how the enemy works, where you’re apt to run into him, how to recognize demonic activity, and to have some idea of what do I do about it if I run into that.

This doesn’t mean that your whole life is about spiritual warfare, your whole life is about this, but it needs to be in our toolkit. It needs to be part of what we understand, and part of what we’re able to deal with and take care of, because we’re all going to have to face it at some point in our journey.

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